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How to properly make a multi-regional (multinational) & multilingual site using sub-directories instead of sub-domains ? As far as i know sub-directories rank better now than sub-domains do.
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/182192?hl=en Any hints and tips how to make it properly work on uCoz sites having a global gTLD ? *** For example let's say i am french and my site is called : example.com Naturally i will rank well on google.fr with my french site (if i have quality content and good page rank) But i want to compete with other sites in Germany, that rank well on google.de. I will use sub-directories to target German people (language) living in Germany. (that use google.de) So my first page should only direct people to the other languages ? And have : example.com/index/fr/0-110 , example.com/index/de/0-120 What if i want to talk to french people that stay in Germany and search in french language using Google.de or German people that stay in France and search in German language using google.fr In other words how to best make the structure of a site on uCoz in order to compete for multiple languages and multiple countries with the same site. Thank you very much. Some very big sites in the url mention region/language/place. How to make this with uCoz ? Do they also include in the HTML code some information or is it enough to do it in the URL ? Also in webmaster tools i should add each region/language/place as a separate entry ? It's definitely not easy for a beginner and i need help, but i hope others will also benefit from this topic. ( the information that is shared here regarding how to do it best on uCoz platform ) Thassos Island Portal :
https://thassos.one Post edited by Urs - Saturday, 2014-06-28, 3:44 PM
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Lets say i know all the languages of the world or i have people that can translate the content so there is no need automatic translations. I want to rank well for each language on all Google searches. I will not use the uCoz sub-domains but a domain like example.com
So you say it is better to only focus on language and not bother with possible regional optimizations (could be useless) ? Anyone else ? Thassos Island Portal :
https://thassos.one Post edited by Urs - Monday, 2014-06-30, 11:48 AM
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Quote Urs (  )How to properly make a multi-regional (multinational) & multilingual site using sub-directories instead of sub-domains ? As far as i know sub-directories rank better now than sub-domains do. https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/182192?hl=en According to the provided link, there isn't much difference between subdomains and subfolders. Actually, subdomains have more pros than subfolders. And subdomains can be easily created in uCoz. Quote Urs ( )So you say it is better to only focus on language and not bother with possible regional optimizations (could be useless) ? Quote Urs ( )What if i want to talk to french people that stay in Germany and search in french language using Google.de or German people that stay in France and search in German language using google.fr According to your own description you want to focus primarily on language rather than country, so probably regional optimizations could be ignored. I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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I think so too.. and I do not think that automated GOOGLE let's say translation widget could do any bad to your site.. it has of course hidden kind of present which is known very well by all us and called Google Analytics, through which Google company could gather important information about users on your site (like users behavior..)
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Quote Urs ( )https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MswMYk05tk ( please take a look ) I did. Matt Cutts actually says that you can use whatever is more convenient for you. He doesn't say that subdomains are worse, he explains why they used to be a better choice. Quote "Since search engines keep different metrics for domains than they do subdomains, it is recommended that webmasters place link-worthy content like blogs in subfolders rather than subdomains. (i.e. www.example.com/blog/ rather than blog.example.com) The notable exceptions to this are language-specific websites. (i.e., en.example.com for the English version of the website)." So, it says that while subfolders are better in terms of SEO in general, it does not apply to your case - language-specific subdomains or subfolders. I'm not trying to advise you against subfolders. It's just that the provided info doesn't really have any proofs they are better. It looks like there isn't any important difference. The question is - how will you add language-specific subfolders to your uCoz website? Of course, it's possible to create folders in File Manager and upload static pages, but as you know static websites is not what uCoz was created for. And with dynamic pages it's not such an easy task, at least at this moment. I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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You are right Sunny
It seems some of the best ranking pages look like this (when searching for a particular location) : example.com/region/gr/sparta.uk.html (region in Greece being Sparta and the page is for UK language) or example.comdestination/city/de/berlin.ru.html (the city in germany is berlin and the site is for the Russian language) But these are static pages... so a big no appears. The other option would be : Quote example.com/en-uk English language -> Geotargeting it in Webmaster tools to United kingdom example.com/en-fr English language -> Geotargeting it in Webmaster tools to France example.com/ru-gr Russian language -> Geotargeting it in Webmaster tools to Greece example.com/en English language, independent of region -> No Geotargeting But would Google take all example.com/ru-gr pages as Russian language for Greek users ? Because uCoz produces only links like : (underscore) ru_gr/0-191 ru_gr/0-192 ru_gr/0-193 ru_gr/0-194 etc. Hard question : What is the best way, with uCoz system, to be able to compete for single words - like names of known places - no matter what language is used or what country the term is searched from, using a gTLD (no ccTLDs). Thassos Island Portal :
https://thassos.one Post edited by Urs - Wednesday, 2014-07-02, 7:35 PM
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Quote Urs ( )But would Google take all example.com/ru-gr pages as Russian language for Greek users ? Because uCoz produces only links like : (underscore) ru_gr/0-191 ru_gr/0-192 ru_gr/0-193 ru_gr/0-194 etc. I think it better to address this question to Google support. Quote Urs ( )What is the best way, with uCoz system, to be able to compete for single words - like names of known places - no matter what language is used or what country the term is searched from, using a gTLD (no ccTLDs). There aren't any major differences in promoting uCoz and non-uCoz websites. Use the general principles to promote your website - internal optimization, unique quality content etc. I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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Urs, you can use both subfolders and subdomains, there isn't much difference in terms of SEO. In my opinion, subdomains are easier to implement in uCoz, so I would choose the Wikipedia style.
Quote Urs ( )The uCoz structure is : http://mysite.com/index/cheap_coffee_in_Brazil/0-160 Does this /0-160 can affect my rankings ? Why is this number in the URL, so that one can have multiple pages with the same name ? The numbers do not affect rankings. And they exist due to the uCoz's database structure. Quote Urs ( )How will i be able to change the hreflang tags on all pages if only 20 personalized pages are allowed and i am building a huge site ? You can use conditional operators, the same way as described here for meta tags: http://forum.ucoz.com/forum/42-18452-108216-16-1403879605 I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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What happens to a sub-domain when you attach it to a domain ? Is it still available ? Does it redirect automatically to the new domain ? What happens with the page rank ?
What happens if i use : "Transfer an existing domain to uCoz DNS servers" and later for unknown reasons i have to move the domain somewhere else and attach it to another site ? Will the sub-domain be again available in the original form ? How cam you transfer a domain from uCoz DNS servers ? (back to registrar or where can i move it normally) ? Thassos Island Portal :
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Quote Urs ( )What happens to a sub-domain when you attach it to a domain ? You attach a subdomain to a website, not to a domain. When you attach a domain to a uCoz website, you can then create subdomains for this domain in the Control Panel of the website where you attached the domain. Then, for subdomains to be available online, you need to attach each of them somewhere (uCoz website, non-uCoz website). Quote Urs ( )Does it redirect automatically to the new domain ? Do you mean redirection from a ucoz system domain to the attached one? Such automatic redirection can be enabled in Common Settings. Quote Urs ( )What happens with the page rank ? After you attach a custom domain? Quote Urs ( )What happens if i use : "Transfer an existing domain to uCoz DNS servers" and later for unknown reasons i have to move the domain somewhere else and attach it to another site ? Will the sub-domain be again available in the original form ? The subdomains will stop working, you will need to re-create them in the new domain control panel and then re-attach them to the websites. Quote Urs ( ) How cam you transfer a domain from uCoz DNS servers ? You just change the name servers from the uCoz's DNS into any other DNS you need. I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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Quote Sunny ( )You attach a subdomain to a website, not to a domain. When you attach a domain to a uCoz website, you can then create subdomains for this domain in the Control Panel of the website where you attached the domain. Then, for subdomains to be available online, you need to attach each of them somewhere (uCoz website, non-uCoz website). I am afraid i was not very clear. So i attach a domain to a uCoz website (that is hosted now on a sub-domain). Is my domain name.com still available at the original sub-domain name.ucoz.com ? Quote Sunny ( )Do you mean redirection from a ucoz system domain to the attached one? Such automatic redirection can be enabled in Common Settings. If i type name.ucoz.com does it redirect automatically to my new domain name.com ? Does name.com replaces name.ucoz.com or can i still access name.ucoz.com that is a duplicate of the name.com ? Does each sub-domain created in control panel ( for my new domain - -example : en.name.com ; fish.name.com) needs another paid package or they are all considered as a single site with many sub-domains ? Does each sub-domain has it's own control panel ? Is the file manager shared between the main site and the sub-domains ? Quote Sunny ( )After you attach a custom domain? The page rank of the new domain name.com will be 0 ? If the original subdomain name.ucoz.com will still exist separately it will have page rank 2, if it redirect automatically and is replaced by name.com it will transfer some page rank to the new domain. Quote Sunny ( )The subdomains will stop working, you will need to re-create them in the new domain control panel and then re-attach them to the websites. What i mean is if i move the domain somewhere else, all that would remain will be the original name.ucoz.com with all its content untouched right ? Quote Sunny ( )You just change the name servers from the uCoz's DNS into any other DNS you need. Do you recommend using Method 2. Transfer an existing domain to uCoz DNS servers OR Method 3. Attach an existing domain name without transferring the domain to uCoz servers (in this case the domain will be hosted on the registrar servers correct ? or you can't host it there by default ?) If i have to renew my domain name it won't matter what method i use ? Thassos Island Portal :
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Quote Urs ( )So i attach a domain to a uCoz website (that is hosted now on a sub-domain). Is my domain name.com still available at the original sub-domain name.ucoz.com ? Yes, your website will be available at its original URL name.ucoz.com. Quote Urs ( )If i type name.ucoz.com does it redirect automatically to my new domain name.com ? Does name.com replaces name.ucoz.com or can i still access name.ucoz.com that is a duplicate of the name.com ? If you enable redirection, you will be automatically redirected to name.com when you type name.ucoz.com in the address bar. Quote Urs ( )Does each sub-domain created in control panel ( for my new domain - -example : en.name.com ; fish.name.com) needs another paid package or they are all considered as a single site with many sub-domains ? Does each sub-domain has it's own control panel ? Is the file manager shared between the main site and the sub-domains ? Subdomains, created in CP, are not websites till you attach them somewhere. And since you need to attach each subdomain to a separate website, you will need a new package for each website with a subdomain, they will have separate CPs and File Managers. Quote Urs ( )The page rank of the new domain name.com will be 0 ? If the original subdomain name.ucoz.com will still exist separately it will have page rank 2, if it redirect automatically and is replaced by name.com it will transfer some page rank to the new domain. If there is automatic redirect, PR will be merged. Quote Urs ( )What i mean is if i move the domain somewhere else, all that would remain will be the original name.ucoz.com with all its content untouched right ? Yes, the standard domain and all its content will remain untouched. Quote Urs ( )Do you recommend using Method 2. Transfer an existing domain to uCoz DNS servers OR Method 3. If you use Method 3, you won't be able to create subdomains. Quote Urs ( )If i have to renew my domain name it won't matter what method i use ? Yes, the method does not matter. I'm not active on the forum anymore. Please contact other forum staff.
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Thank you so much Sunny for the wonderful answers !
Quote Sunny ( )If you use Method 3, you won't be able to create subdomains. If i chose Method 3, where will the domain be hosted ? On the registrar servers ? Quote Sunny ( )Subdomains, created in CP, are not websites till you attach them somewhere. And since you need to attach each subdomain to a separate website, you will need a new package for each website with a subdomain, they will have separate CPs and File Managers. I see, at this moment the project budget is quite tight, and sub-directories will have to wait for another time ( unfortunately ). The idea is very good and it will be taken seriously into consideration, especially in the future. You said that uCoz was not meant to work with static pages like : name.com/region/gr/crete.en-gb.html (about Crete for UK English) or name.com/country/de.en-gb.html (Germany country in UK English) or name.com/fr/vélo-de-montagne.html (french language - article about vélo-de-montagne) The structure of a uCoz site is : name.com/index/name_of_the_page/0-30 In this case how can i express in the URL structure : The language i am using ( maybe also the country in case of countries with multiple official languages ? ) while also expressing the name of the page ? ( since i can't do name.com/fr/name_in_french_of_the_page.html ) Should i write : name.com/index/en_gb_name_of_the_page_in_english/0-30 name.com/index/es_es_name_of_the_page_in_spanish/0-31 Or simply just state the language : name.com/index/en_name_of_the_page_in_english/0-30 name.com/index/es_name_of_the_page_in_spanish/0-31 name.com/index/bg_name_of_the_page_in_bulgarian/0-32 name.com/index/ru_name_of_the_page_in_russian/0-33 name.com/index/pl_name_of_the_page_in_polish/0-33 I am thinking ideally would probably be : ( but this is not possible with uCoz ) name.com/en-gb/about_something/0-30 (or again maybe just the language is enough since i am not going to write in German three times for Germany, Austria and Switzerland OR in Italian for both Italy and Switzerland ) So : name.com/en/name_in_english/0-30 What would you do in this situation ? Thassos Island Portal :
https://thassos.one Post edited by Urs - Thursday, 2014-08-07, 6:52 PM
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